Dupe Detection

I would like to be able to see when I have used a clip more than once in a sequence. I have dupe detection turned on and set the handles for 15 frames, but I'm still not seeing anything obvious that ndicates duplicate frames. In AVID you could set it up so that the entire clip would be a different color than the rest of the timeline whenever you had a duplicate clip. Is there a way to do this with FCP?

Thanks for your help.

"still not seeing anything obvious that indicates duplicate frames"

maybe you havent used any!

did you turn dupe detection on in the preferences, or in the current sequence?
the prefs will only affect any new sequences.
to turn on in current sequence,
open seq. settings (Apple zero)
go to Timeline Options tab,
tune on dupe frames

what you'll see on the clip is a coloured line along the bottom.
control click on clips with that line, and you'll get details of what where the other dupes frames are.
click on the details to go directly there.

cool.

nick

Nick:

Have you been able to get dupe detection to work in FCP 5?

I've never been able to get it to work using either OS 10.3.9 or 10.4.x.

Works great in FCP HD, however.

Larry
Your friendly, Apple-Certifed FCP trainer

i've never seen it NOT work in FCP5.

tested it myself just before i posted,
i also demo this a lot when teaching.

maybe this is one time when FCP works for PAL users, and not NTSC!
it's usually the other way around!

and it DID work for me in 4.11 on a 24fps PAL project.

see you in OZ soon, Larry,
cheers,
nick

Weird, weird, weird.

I have never gotten Dupe detection to work. Ever. In any version of OS, with any version of FCP.

I leave for the land down-under the last couple days of March.

Going to be a GREAT seminar!

Larry

Yes, did all that. Still nothing. Performed several tests. Okay, I'm really dumb and need serious one-on-one attention or this just doesn't work for some reason with my setup?

Have not ever worked in HD. Maybe it's a software flaw?

Always reluctant to admit an operational error -- ha ha.

Signed, the proud and egotistical FCP novice,


Shelleyrae

maybe there is some flaw with NTSC sequences that i haven't experienced?
i haven't heard of that till now, tho.

if your program plays without any apparent repetition, then i guess that's some form of dupe detection.
if you need to check for actual re-use of film frames..
uh.. i dunno...?
do you have neg matcher you could shoot an EDL to?
or a friend with an avid?

nick

Works fine here on v5.04 (PAL or NTSC). A while back there were big discussions on this forum and others about having "Show Duplicate Frames" enabled causing significant slowdown in performance. I haven't heard anything to the contrary so presume this still stands.

Martin Baker
www.digital-heaven.co.uk
Software tools and plug-ins for Apple Pro Apps

The dupe detection slowdown was an FCP4 phenomenon and was reportedly fixed in FCP5.



All the best,

Tom

That's good news then!

Martin

sometimes dupe detection doesn't work

did you "media-manage" your clips in anyway ? break masterclip relationship ? capture &/or prepare them in an other project ?
aint they subclips ?

Yes. I have a lot of subclips that I'm working with. Maybe thats be the problem? As I stated earlier, I do dupe detection turned on in preferences wit 15 frame handles.

Also wondering if there is an easy way to keep track of clips that you have used? I'm working with 3.5 hours of video that I have categogerized in several bins. I'm doing multiple sequences and have been putting an asterick next to the clips that I use to keep track of what has or has not been used. Is there an easier way to keep track?

Yes, I do have a friend with an Avid. But how does that help?

shelleyrae wrote:

> Yes, I do have a friend with an Avid. But how does that help?

make an EDL in FCP, load it into the avid.
then use the dupe detection function on that.

"did you "media-manage" your clips in anyway ? break masterclip relationship ? capture &/or prepare them in an other project ?
aint they subclips ?"

none of that stuff should matter.
browser / timeline relationships aren't what counts with dupe detection,
it's all about the clips in the timeline.

"I'm doing multiple sequences and have been putting an asterick next to the clips that I use to keep track of what has or has not been used. Is there an easier way to keep track?"

one method is to colour label the clips you've put into the timeline..
(option apple 1 - 6)
the browser clips will also adopt the colour.

you DO need a master / affiliate relationship for this to work.

nick

Nick you wrote : "none of that stuff should matter"
yes you are right : none of that stuff SHOULD matter...

the color trick is clever but it gives a barbarian look to your work some people might not like it

there is a (more complicated) way to keep track at a glance in the browser of what's been edited, always let "in" and/or "out point to any edited clip, you can see them in dedicated columns in the browser

and of course shelley you know that when doing a search within your clips you have the "used" or "unused" option

How do I use the color label feature to keep track of used clips? I tried clicking on the clip in the time line and apple option 1 and didn't get a contextual menu for color options. Can you explain how to do this?

Thanks

try option apple 2

option apple 1 is "no colour"
2-6 are the colours.

i find this a bit odd, so i slip them all along in the keyboard manager,
so option apple ` is "no colour" and then 1-5 are the colours.

otherwise, control or right click on the clip,
go down the bottom of the list, and look under "Labels"
that's what FCP calls Colours
another bit of confusion.

nick

HI,

If you go into clip properties and chose 'Logging Info' you will find a coloumn called 'Capture' and all your clips will be marked 'Not Yet'
Control click "NOT YET' and change them all to 'OK'.
This will tell FCP all your clips have been captured and your Duplicate Frame Detection will now work.

Cheers

Nick writes-
[i find this a bit odd, so i slip them all along in the keyboard manager,
so option apple ` is "no colour" and then 1-5 are the colours.]

Ever the serious keyboard man!


- Loren

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hi Loren,

yes, i love my shortcuts

since FCP& (i think) you cant easily do this trick of shifting the colour keys.
option apple ~ is reserved for something.
BUT, as i had set up this shortcut in an earlier version,
when i upgraded to FCP7, it kept the now-supposedly un-allowable shortcuts.


cheers,
nick