drop frame and non drop frame?

I am capturing mini dv footage using a dsr 11 deck tru firewire to my laptop 17 macbook pro, using fcp 5.1.3

I am getting this warning when i am about to bacth capture

"warning: you are about to capture non drop-frame media to a drop-frame clip. If you procede, you may experience ......." issue basically.

Why is that I am doing exactlly the same thing I ve done before,

the footage was shot on dvx 100A, coul it be that?

please advice on my dilema?

also how do I find out if a tape was shot on 60i, 24p or 24pa?


thanks


J. García
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The DVX100 captures at 29.97 DROP FRAME! You can't capture Non Drop frame to tape. All 24p yada, yada goes onto tape in the DVX100 camera at 29.97fps.

I don't understand the response to that question, John.

With the DVX100 camera, all formats whether regular DV or some other 24p variant are all captured at 29.97 Drop Frame onto tape. It is up to the editor to use the NLE system to remove frames using 2:3 pulldown or whatever is required in that workflow to get back to 23.98 (in the case of 24p)

i actually think it's a strange FCP bug of late.

i've been capturing DV lately and have found that you need to play the tape for a few seconds before FCP recognizes the correct drop/non-drop thang.

try it while in log/capture.

fp

once again I get the massege with another, tape shot on the panasonic but this time I shot it myself and I use 24 normal not advance I have capture this befor w no problem, using the same setting as right now.

Also it does not give me a problem when I do capture now.

I would love to figure this out because it sucks!!

thanks

And while we're throwing numbers around, keep in mind that there is one other thing connected to all this. Drop Frame Time Code was designed to get around the fact that the oddball framerates, 29.97, 59.94, 23.976 do not come out even--actually ever. You have to fudge somewhere to make "real time" come out right. Otherwise, your hour long show would be 6 seconds too long. The broadcasters who literally count seconds all day long frown on that.

Non Drop Frame Timecode is only used with 30, 60, 24, and I believe, PAL.

The odd framerates are closely associated with broadcast television (save PAL). The even ones with the film industry.

Koz

Kozikowski Wrote:
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> And while we're throwing numbers around, keep in
> mind that there is one other thing connected to
> all this. Drop Frame Time Code was designed to
> get around the fact that the oddball framerates,
> 29.97, 59.94, 23.976 do not come out
> even--actually ever. You have to fudge somewhere
> to make "real time" come out right. Otherwise,
> your hour long show would be 6 seconds too long.
> The broadcasters who literally count seconds all
> day long frown on that.
>
> Non Drop Frame Timecode is only used with 30, 60,
> 24, and I believe, PAL.
>
> The odd framerates are closely associated with
> broadcast television (save PAL). The even ones
> with the film industry.
>
> Koz

Not quite Koz! Yes PAL has no need for DF TC.
In 29.97, 30, 59.94 and 60 you have a choice of DF or NDF.
Also all 23.98 is NDF, there is no DF timecode in 23.98.
Yes DF TC was created to deal with the U.S. broadcast side of things. The fact is that 29.97 and 59.94 which are the 2 broadcast frame rates used in the U.S, play .1% slower than the whole frame rates of 30 & 60. So if you cut a show in a NDF timeline and the TC reading is exactly one hour, your show will actually be 1 hour and 3.6 seconds long. So the DF TC was invented so that show time would correspond to wall clock time.

thanks frank- I've had this issue crop up over the last week, and your solution "i've found that you need to play the tape for a few seconds before FCP recognizes the correct drop/non-drop thang. try it while in log/capture" has been working so far.