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can you make the TL thumbs show the applied effects of that clip?

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

Whyyyyyyy?

I don't see the point.

Oh, and no, you can't.


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i was just working on that remix of the hair guy and was having a time looking at the tl to see my effected clips.

by the way i went with monochrome with a tint and noise. so since i got the suggestion from u can i have the tint change from angle to angle? meaning 1st cut norm, 2nd (2angle) cut blue tint, 3rd cut norm, 4clip auburn tint and so on.

he is a color specialist and that is his claim to fame.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

You CAN, but...I'd find that confusing and distracting. Unless he is talking about tinting at the time.


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You could open up the Filters bar in the TL, at least distinguish between Filter and Motion FX. Option-T.

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Is that one of the 'World' championships where no-one outside America is actually invited?

A bit like 'Miss Universe'. I've only ever seen Earthlings in that thing.

> by the way i went with monochrome with a tint and noise. so since i got the suggestion from u
> can i have the tint change from angle to angle? meaning 1st cut norm, 2nd (2angle) cut blue
> tint, 3rd cut norm, 4clip auburn tint and so on.
> he is a color specialist and that is his claim to fame.

If that's the case, shouldn't you be shooting in a sharp, neutral, "commercial" style rather than distorting the images with tinting? It seems to me a tinted shot would not represent your client's work, it would represent your own.


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[Is that one of the 'World' championships where no-one outside America is actually invited?]

Everyone's invited, Jude. Most of the teams have a widely diverse population. There are Japanese. There are Mexicans, Dominicans, Cubans, Canadians. Spanish. French. There is at least one Navajo Indian. There may even be Aussie's there. Somewhere. ;-)

The world is well-represented. For convenience, the game is staged in North America.

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i think you did see the first draft.

i looked well at the camera angles and shane was right when he was telling me to flip them and i thought that the change to monochrome tinted and soft focused did do a lot for style.

it is quite a jump of visual for me but maybe thats because i never considered it before. the other angle is full color.
wait take a look at an unfinished section.

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""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

Yeah but I don't see the Australian Drop Bears, or the Indonesian Fire Puppets in there anywhere.

OK, lol, obviously I have no idea about baseball teams. It's just an irker that US events management groups seem to think that if it involves a good representative of teams from America, then it's a 'world' event.

HElloooooooOOOO. About 6 billion others of us out here.

i thought that the change to monochrome tinted and soft focused did do a lot for style.

I believe your aesthetic instincts here are correct. In fact I would extend the monochrome to all Mario's appearances. I recall that some time ago the Giorgio Armani website distinguished its Black Label line by showing all of it in black and white, by contrast with the other lines in the brand.

It seems to me a tinted shot would not represent your client's work, it would represent your own.

I hesitate (seriously) to be critical of Shane's point. But I would argue that a color in art does not necessarily mean a color, and that people know that. Except of course in Soviet-style Social Realism, for which the market for some reason is rather less than once it was!

> i looked well at the camera angles and shane was right when he was telling me to flip them and
> i thought that the change to monochrome tinted and soft focused did do a lot for style.
> it is quite a jump of visual for me but maybe thats because i never considered it before. the
> other angle is full color.

I think we're talking about different segments:

For the interview, yes, you should definitely feel free to play with filters. Mario's own look is not nearly as important to convey "realistically", and you did have two shots that don't cut well at all because they are the exact same size and distance.

But for the models themselves, I'd be careful about going too wild. Make sure you have enough shots that show exactly how it looks in a flattering way.

I watched the latest version and I still don't think you've done enough to trim him down. You don't need to be watching him for so long. For example, he waits half a beat before speaking -- unnecessary waiting in a promo, which should be tight, tight, tight. Two seconds of dead air is too long for a promo. Try editing the sound so that it tells the story in a crisp way, then figure out how to fill in the visuals without jump-cutting too much. You do not need to be on his face for a lot of this interview. Put B-roll instead -- remembering Shane's note -- which allows you to tighten the sound as much as you please.

I don't know what the graphics gurus think, but I'd choose another font and style for Mario's lower 3rd name card. It looks really cheesy. Try Impact or Helvetica Neue Black, and decrease the tracking. Right now it looks half-considered as a font, and looks like those YouTube titles rather than a professional, commercial design. Personally, I'd probably go with more of a script font which has personality, such as DadHand. Or have Mario do his signature (if it's a visually interesting signature) and turn that into a Photoshop card.

The picture-in-picture stuff was a good idea. Allows you to use more images and dynamize the piece. I'd probably make the border thinner; the overall aesthetic can be more "streamlined".

A musical suggestion: Did you build this track in Soundtrack? Have you considered using more "wildcard" instruments -- ethnic ones to convey the stylist's exoticism? Work in a Tar or a Nagara into a "commercial fashion" track? If not a Turkish instrument, Middle Eastern, Asian, African or Celtic percussion and string/orchestral instruments (eg. harmonium, sitar, djembe, oud). Whatever you do, I think the track needs spark, more of an "oomph" factor. In simpler terms, a lead part, say a guitar or organ solo.


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I watched the latest version and I still don't think you've done enough to trim him down. You don't need to be watching him for so long. For example, he waits half a beat before speaking -- unnecessary waiting in a promo, which should be tight, tight, tight.

i think you are correct and i will do some clean-up once i get the general cuts styled.

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I don't know what the graphics gurus think, but I'd choose another font and style for Mario's lower 3rd name card. It looks really cheesy.

i agree with this also i was thinking of adding an animated background to his name card. that name card would be a whole lot nicer as a script font.

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Did you build this track in Soundtrack? Have you considered using more "wildcard" instruments -- ethnic ones to convey the stylist's exoticism?

the music is a composition i did 4 years ago no samples at all. i played everything. i do have another one that has more ethnic instruments in it i will try it on there but it is a bit slower.
i am allergic to anything techno so unless the client really wants it i stay away.

i will post the remix in show and tell when i am done.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

> i am allergic to anything techno so unless the client really wants it i stay away.

More machine-like music can work very well in many cases, especially material with a cutting-edge feel, post-modern techniques, or darker elements in action, thrillers, spy films, sci-fi etc. If you don't like the "dance" spectrum of techno (heavy bass beats, keyboards, beeps and booms, etc.), you can always try the bastard child of techno and hard rock -- industrial.

The ethnic element I was suggesting is much less important than the slick "commercial" feel you must convey with something like this. If I were using temp music on this one, I'd go with Natasha Bedingfield, Emily King, some of Sia's more uptempo tracks, or even Cocteau Twins.


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emily king and natasha are very hot. but can vocals in a song do well with interview footage?

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

> emily king and natasha are very hot. but can vocals in a song do well with interview footage?

I'm talking temp music, not for the final. (Let's not have another copyright discussion.) In which case, all you need is the vibe. In doing the actual track, you can always process the vocals to scoop some midrange for the interview. Or loop an instrumental part.


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yeah, i have some stuff like emily king i made in the late 90s maybe i will try that. i own the copywrites to over 1500 songs so i have been using those since you beheaded me:-)

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> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

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Point taken. And it's threads like this that convince me there are parallel dimensions sandwiched between the chronons of our own world.

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ahhh yeah, what he said..... kinda .......but not really maybe.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

Well, OK, you just totally redeemed yourself by going the 'time as progressive units at 2?10-23 seconds' argument. Baseball is forgiven. Football I'm still grumpy at.