Final Cut Pro 6.0.2 and Pro Res 422

Does the upgrade to FCP 6.0.2 mean I can capture Pro res 422 to my mac pro from a sony z1p HDV cam thru my firwire without a capture card?

Ham

No. No update will ever make that possible. You need a capture card for this. The cheapest way to do this would be with the Decklink Intensity card.


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actually Shane the update does exactly what Hamr is asking ...

there are 2 new capture presets specifically which allow capture from HDV with realtime transcode directly to ProRes (or at least thats what the notes say, I haven't tested it)

? HDV-Apple ProRes 422
Use this capture preset to transcode HDV footage to the Apple ProRes 422 codec during capture.
?HDV-Apple ProRes 422 (HQ)
Use this capture preset to transcode HDV footage to the Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) codec during capture.

cheers
Andy

What does the Pro res 422 codec do exactly? Being that Apple dosn't support Blu-ray or HDDVD, what is the purpose of using the Pro res 422 codec?

Nooo....REALLY? I read the notes too, but thought that it still required a capture card. Man, if I only had and HDV camera and an Intel Mac to test this...


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blu ray or HDD don't come into it.

ProRes is basically a very high quality codec with a relatively low data rate

where this really becomes useful is when working in HD.

you an work at HD res with data rates and file sizes that are about the same as Standard Def Uncompressed.

what this means is you dont need to shell out for hugely expensive drives.

sure there's HDV, with it's DV type file sizes,
but its a bear to work with in terms of grading and effects work.


i've been working on a short film with a fair bit of (simple) compositing work.
we've on-lined everything as full 10bit uncompressed HD,
but i've been doing the effects work with ProRes copies.
full frame size
working off my internal dive!
when i'm done i connect to the HD media.


the new HDV to ProRes seems pretty cool:

im also going to be working on a doco shot on HDV.
there'd be too many rushes to capture as ProRes,
but when we lock off, we could recapture the HDV as PRoRes,
then give that to the colourists, (who are using Color)

Hi thanks for your replies.

Has anyone confirmed the HDV to Pro res 422 yet via firwire?

I have yet to upgrade my FCP to 6.0.2 but will do it this week.

Ham

Yes, you can capture via firewire to pro res 422. On my set up I have a dual 2.7 gig machine, not the latest intel machines and I capture HDV as pro res, it is a straight uncontrolable device type capture, no in and out points, it starts were the tape head is on your deck and just captures.

kevin

HI Kevin...wow thanks for that.

Is it just like the capture now setting on FCP...does it break it into subclips where you have turned your camera off and on?

The Pro Res 422 capture is it 8 bit or 10 bit and what color space 4:2:2 from HDV tape?

What are the benefits you have noticed to native HDV? better quality?

Ham

it's also a bit like capturing HDV to Apple Intermediate Codec.

i'm not sure, but i think that gave you files with no TC.
or TC starting at zero at any rate.

are you getting your clip's TC?


nick

The damage was done during the filming with HDV so the image isn't better. Fx and compositing after capture will be better because of the better color space. Don't know about the subclips. It does give time code on my capture. It is not like the capture now setting. You don't get a dialogue box with buttons, it just starts capturing the moment you hit "apple 8".

Kevin

yeah, that's just like the HDV to AIC process.

except that didn't give you the clip's TC (i think)


nm

I just tried to capture an HDV tape with the intermediate codec and TC reset with each clip. Does anyone know if this is a glitch.

Hans

hi Hans

capturing HDV as AIC does not give timecode ... as you've discovered
capturing HDV as ProRes does give timecode (according to the posts above)

Andy

ProRes seems to be a great codec,
give that a go.


nick

I'm about 400-500 hours of footage into a project that will probably go for another 100-200 hours of footage (documentary series). We have captured everything so far as HDV 1080i60. We were hoping that capturing directly into AIC would speed up outputs and renders. By all accounts, it would. We would, of course, need time code, though. Capturing into AIC makes the media too big for our storage capabilities anyway - about 4x that of HDV.

Hans