911 Cover Up is an Excellent Doc.

i dare anyone to watch this video for 8 mins and then stop. it is amazin the amount of research that was done here. you may want to stop because you dont want to believe in the US being this way. But i submit to you, that at the very minimum respect it for the research and the editing.






""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

I'm only half way through......wow......incredibly strong stuff.....having grown up with the Kennedy assasination, and the ensuing cover up....this is pretty unbelievable.

Cameron Young

yeah that what i said too...wow

i watched it 3 times to soak it all in.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

finished it.....I won't even go into any technical stuff.....the content is so powerful....even if you debunk the 911 conspiracy theories, there are way too many inconsistencies to just brush off.

Cameron Young

tell a friend. it is a must watch.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

I don't want this to turn into a political thread but this movie and just about every point it states has been debunked by dozens of sources. That doesn't make this any less compelling or well structured, but the fact is after EVERY "great disaster" or great event," conspiracy theorists come out of the closet in the thousands and try their best to convince us that hundreds of the most wealthy and politically powerful people are behind each and every disaster or grand event that has befallen upon this world.

That said, this doc is a very good and often brilliant example of a well crafted piece of nonsense and outright untruths.

Question what you see and what you read. Everyone has an agenda.

Michael Horton
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political thread or open discussion of somebody's work?

<<<Question what you see and what you read>>>

I agree, Mike, and I think many of us question what we saw on that day. With all the debunking of the conspiracy theories, it still seems preposterous that one jetliner could bring down a skyscraper. It's hard to believe that a jet would virtually disintegrate and all parts disappear when hitting the Pentagon or plowing into the ground. It's even more difficult to wrap the mind around the idea that these events were covered up, which would include hundreds, if not thousands of people, and that all of these people are keeping quiet. And to what end?

Then again, I firmly believe that Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT act alone.

Cameron Young

mike,
maybe this is nonsense. but think of this. when people are accused of things that they did but thought no one knew their reaction is often an up roar. some people have this same reaction when their beliefs are called in question.
i have always said to myself what if i am wrong. i do this so that i dont mix my personal feelings up with what is presented. i may believe that it was an act of terror in order to strengthen my belief in the U.S. being a wonderful place where people care. but if i can just loose that belief for a second maybe i can see it for what it is.
no not everything in that doc is true i am sure but some of the things are to heavy to say its nonsense. there must have been something in it that could be slightly believed by even the harshest critic.
it is not my purpose to make this a political forum but a forum about the works of editor who spend a lot of time putting together a sequence such as that. it is a beautiful piece of work without a doubt. and the guys who made it are editors just like us. if you were to put together a doc on say how court system observes a law when its time to prosecute for political looks then over rides that law to save one its own, from prosecution you might get a bunch of folks telling you that it is non-sense. if we say that this is too racy because of subject matter what will be next.
as people in the media, all in a career that exists because of Freedom Of Speech & Expression. how is that we could possibly take a stand to suppress something because its unsettling?
i normally dont have much for show and tell because i dont normally get moved by some of the editing i see. but that was beautiful how he pulls you in, in a way that you can hardly stop yourself from watching.

i posted this link because no matter who watches it and what they believe it is a riveting piece of art put together by a VIDEO EDITOR who was probably just as destitute of large budgets as some of us in this very forum.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

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i posted this link because no matter who watches it and what they believe it is a riveting piece of art put together by a VIDEO EDITOR who was probably just as destitute of large budgets as some of us in this very forum.

Exactly. But don't expect the discussion to be about that. I fear it will dissolve into politics and personal beliefs and agendas. Tis the way we are.

Michael Horton
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yeah i see your point. i just hope it doesnt get to that and people admire the work that was done. i will try to be less controversial with my nxt show and tell.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

Imagine how much more interesting it would've been if the documentary was about a constructive approach toward the hatred directed against America. I could've watched such a documentary and learned from the excellence of the editor's skills.

I think we can succeed better as artists-craftsmen if we avoid hurtful subjects. I know controversial movies do well sometimes, but suggesting that we Americans acted as genocidal maniacs to win an election or make some money is ludicrous. No US President has been that crazy, and the American people aren't that stupid to elect such a President. It's not a big deal to be a President. There are literally millions of Americans who have more power and money than any US President and they're not even in politics.

But please forgive me; this is just me. I don't like horror films and porn either :-)

america has done far worse things than 911.
everyone chooses to believe what they want to believe about anything. like the mother who thinks her kids is great mean while others see him/her as a bully, drunk, rapist or murderer.
sometimes blind love is the best love cause you dont register the negative. it makes it so everything is familiar.
i dont know what to believe about our world anymore. the wealth give money to charities while running a sweat shop in a third world country. mothers drowning their kids after church. men tell their ladies i love you while they beat them with their fist.

i wish we could edit out all of it and go back to the early 80's somewhere.

lets just call the movie a crock so that we dont have to realize that the world is completely gone crazy, except the editors. our job is to take the footage of life cut out the undesirable parts and smoothly tell a story that is more acceptable and visually pleasing.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

> I think we can succeed better as artists-craftsmen if we avoid hurtful subjects.

Sorry, that's bonkers. If you're not willing to go far enough, you end up with mediocrity. Self-censorship is absolutely the worst quality a creative person can have.

Go as far as you're compelled to. There will be more than enough people who would want to pull you back.


www.derekmok.com

You can go far enough in the right direction though :-)

Seriously, skill and artistry can be applied to any point of view. No one should be limited in that area.

A very compelling movie can be made about how to prevent another 9/11 from happening. But from a positive point of view, not from a conspiracy point of view.

Certainly there are thousands of stories to tell about heroism and sacrifice. All these stories can be told with the kind of excellence you've exibited in your discussions about editorial handling and the preplanning that should go before the cameras roll. (In fact, I often recommend that the editor should be hired from the start of production and have the editor participate in pre-production together with the cinematographer and the rest of the key crew members.)

People like Michael Moore are few (thank God) and so you won't get many assignments from those who share his point of view; but you can get many more assignments from the kind of people who are loyal, because they have the most money, and they don't mind giving it to you when you're constructive in your approach. You can be as creative as you wish too. What, you want to be the Che Guevara of film editors (How do you spell Guevara? I was thinking of Guava :-) LOL

BTW, no one is going to hold you back if you're headed in the right direction.

"I think we can succeed better as artists-craftsmen if we avoid hurtful subjects"

I could not disagree with you more.
it is not only our right but it is our obligation as artists to confront "hurtful subjects".

Ans as someone above mentioned: self-censorship is disgusting, disgraceful and pathetic.
Leave that to the politically correct whinging old ladies.

"People like Michael Moore are few (thank God) and so you won't get many assignments from those who share his point of viev"

I dont agree rally with Michael Moore all the time, but to say that its a good thing that not many people share his views plain stupid. He does what every artist should do. He exposes facts that he believes to be true. Bending over backwards and avoiding "hurtful subjects" so that you dont offend anyone is simply cowardice. You are a disgrace.

Johan Polhem
Motion Graphics
www.johanpolhem.com

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filmman
A very compelling movie can be made about how to prevent another 9/11 from happening. But from a positive point of view, not from a conspiracy point of view.

we can not make a movie about how to prevent a murder unless we have a previous murder to draw from. meaning that no one really knows what happened on 911 because a lot of the facts havent came out yet and there is no previous incident to compare it to. so while they want us to believe thier rendition of the chain of events they do not have enough evidence to support what they are saying.

the movie may be a bunch of bull but as yourself this.

1. how is it that the black boxes could not be found but the passport could?
2. where was the rest of the plain at the pentigon?
3. how does steele vaporize but the bodies are identified?
4. my very own observation:
why didnt we spend money to get who bush said did it? osoma was in afganastan not iraq.
we did not commit the number of troops or dollars to sweeping afganastan like we sweep iraq.
that in it self look like they dot really believe he did it.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"

"filmman
A very compelling movie can be made about how to prevent another 9/11 from happening. But from a positive point of view, not from a conspiracy point of view."

-What Filmman, is a positive view exactly?

Johan Polhem
Motion Graphics
www.johanpolhem.com

the industry itself is more apt to push controversy, and Jezebel morality than to push positives. it sucks yes but it is so. people kill thier husbands and wives -> media -> nancy grace -> trial -> book deal & movie.
man saves his neighbors family -> news paper -> local at 11 -> at work monday at 8am.
here is a little exercize for ya:
get a note pad. look at the 3 top news stations for 1 hour switching when commercial air. write down how many times they use words like danger, threat, alert, warn, safety. skeptical, ...ect
you will find that it is used about once every 1m20s. why because they are pushing negativity and fear.
movies get sicker everyday what use to be the silhouette of the knife in the hand of the killer in an overhand position has turned to people eating people alive over 3 days. the world is getting crazy and since i live in the country of origin i see it constantly.
i wish we could all live in willie wonkas chocolate factory but we dont. i love to see positive things too like the hug video. i am sure that any day now people will start waking up and smiling all day.
lets face it morality gone wone wild sells.

""" What you do with what you have, is more important than what you could do, with what you don't have."

> > > Knowledge + Action = Wisdom - J. Corbett 1992 """"