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Convert 29.97 to 24p before or after editing? ProRes 24p capture
Posted by choppertown zack
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Re: Convert 29.97 to 24p before or after editing? ProRes 24p capture October 23, 2008 03:36PM |
TV broadcast...HD or SD? What tape format do you need to deliver? Me, I'd stick with 29.97, for Tv and DVD. Unless I was required to deliver a 23.98 master...and that only happens in HD.
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Re: Convert 29.97 to 24p before or after editing? ProRes 24p capture October 23, 2008 04:32PM |
Wanting to deliver in HD. Well there are MANY HD formats. 720p59.94 DVCPRO HD, HDCAM and D5. Then there is 1080p24 23.98psf HDCAM and D5, and 1080i29.97 HDCAM and D5. So you need to know what format you will be outputting before you can figure out what format you need to be working with...much less shooting.
Too many questions to give a concise answer.
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Re: Convert 29.97 to 24p before or after editing? ProRes 24p capture October 23, 2008 05:36PM |
If you're going to remove the pulldown eventually, it's a lot easier to work with in Final Cut if you remove it up front, and cut in 24. Final Cut, for all its virtues, isn't very good at working with footage with 3:2 in it. There's no visual indication, for example, of where your pulldown cadence is at any given point on the playhead. You have to look for jitter frames and count. Also, there's no way in Final Cut to remove the pulldown from a timeline, so you'd be looking at a post process.
They say some pulldown removers can handle cadence breaks with aplomb; I believe Compressor's "reverse telecine" option is supposed to be able to remove even broken pulldown. But I haven't tested this myself, and I couldn't recommend that you bet your show on it without testing it to destruction first.
The pain in the rear, of course, is in the contemplation of your shooting ratio. I recently cut a show that had about a 20:1 shooting ratio, and I just bit the bullet on the pulldown removal. I just let Compressor process all of it over the weekend.
They say some pulldown removers can handle cadence breaks with aplomb; I believe Compressor's "reverse telecine" option is supposed to be able to remove even broken pulldown. But I haven't tested this myself, and I couldn't recommend that you bet your show on it without testing it to destruction first.
The pain in the rear, of course, is in the contemplation of your shooting ratio. I recently cut a show that had about a 20:1 shooting ratio, and I just bit the bullet on the pulldown removal. I just let Compressor process all of it over the weekend.
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Re: Convert 29.97 to 24p before or after editing? ProRes 24p capture October 24, 2008 06:43AM |
I've found the pulldown removal in Cinema Tools to be incredibly quirky, and it's definitely one of the pulldown removers that can't handle a broken cadence.
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Re: Convert 29.97 to 24p before or after editing? ProRes 24p capture October 24, 2008 01:27PM |
I would love to know how to remove pulldown with my Kona LH on capture. I shot something live recently, feeding the SDI from my camera into my Kona board, but I couldn't figure out how to make it remove the 3:2 the camera automatically inserts when shooting 24p.
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Re: Convert 29.97 to 24p before or after editing? ProRes 24p capture October 24, 2008 01:39PM |
I have only been able to do this with DVCPRO HD footage shot with the Varicam. But that format sets very good flags on the footage. Canon HDV? Might not be possible...can't via firewire as HDV or ProRes. And how will you connect the camera to a capture card? HDMI for capture (using the Intensity) and firewire for deck control? OK, can you then remove that pulldown? I doubt it, because the footage isn't FLAGGED, it is recorded with a funky Canon setting. I believe you can only capture then remove pulldown.
But I barely know HDV...worked with it twice.
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Re: Convert 29.97 to 24p before or after editing? ProRes 24p capture October 24, 2008 01:57PM |
In this case, the camera I was using was an XL H1, which has an HD-SDI output that bypasses the HDV parts. I was just capturing the uncompressed live feed from the camera.
I know that a Smoke will remove 3:2 from telecined footage automatically on capture. You have to set your AA frame, and I'm pretty sure it'll barf on a broken cadence, but there's also a great post-process button for removing 3:2 that I really missed.
(I've been on a big "Final Cut stinks for working with 3:2" kick lately.)
I know that a Smoke will remove 3:2 from telecined footage automatically on capture. You have to set your AA frame, and I'm pretty sure it'll barf on a broken cadence, but there's also a great post-process button for removing 3:2 that I really missed.
(I've been on a big "Final Cut stinks for working with 3:2" kick lately.)
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