I am doing a test of screen scroll for a custom 2400x600 prores 30p sequence in fcp.
ultimately the output will go to three monitors each 800x600 or a left, center, and
right display.

I set up four images to nest 1) offscreen left
2) left
3)mid
4) right

I then nested the four images .

As soon as load the motion panel of the nest, I notice that
it only nested the onscreen images, because if I apply motion to
move the nest right, it only shows black where image 1) was.


Is there a way to nest offscreen images?

Before I nest the four images I see the marquee box for the offscreen left image
but once I nest all four images, there is no longer anything there once i "pan"
right

I'm having a very difficult time understanding what you're talking about, because I don't know what "nest" and "scroll" mean the way you're using them. Maybe you could explain that?

But details aside, my gut reaction here is that you're trying to do something Final Cut really isn't suited for. This kinda sounds like a DVE-style job, where you're moving footage around in 2- or 3-space. The DVE tools in FCP are very rudimentary. It's an editor, not a compositor.

You've got access to After Effects, right?

No sir, no after effects.

each of the four images (for the test) could be animated
separately -but nesting (according to the docs) allows you
to treat the nest as one "clip" (it is actually a sequence inside
another sequence).

So the "nest is layed out with three 800x600 images onscreen
at test frame 0- and with another image sitting offscreen to the left.

Prior to nesting, each of the four clips has its maquee box (as i edit with
image+wireframe) visible when you click on the clips.

Now once you nest this, and then access the nest-it seems to ONLY
nest visible to the canvas items-and not items nested offscreen.

I would rather use motion BUT my Apple G5 Dual with 2 G Ram and
ATI Radeon 9800XT with 256M only will suport UP TO 2048px.
(even though in the docs it says a 256M card will do up to 4096px)

This presentation has to be 2400x600px as this is the display settings
on the final output.


Basically what I am asking is-Can you nest "offscreen images" and then
"pan" the nest so that it will be visible with a motion offset on the x move.




Jeff Harrell Wrote:
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> I'm having a very difficult time understanding
> what you're talking about, because I don't know
> what "nest" and "scroll" mean the way you're using
> them. Maybe you could explain that?
>
> But details aside, my gut reaction here is that
> you're trying to do something Final Cut really
> isn't suited for. This kinda sounds like a
> DVE-style job, where you're moving footage around
> in 2- or 3-space. The DVE tools in FCP are very
> rudimentary. It's an editor, not a compositor.
>
> You've got access to After Effects, right?

I think I know what he's talking about.

He wants four images to move at the same time, so he nested them together in FCP. But nests are not like still images; they are restricted to the frame size and content of the Sequence where the images are being gathered. You can't access the parts of the images that aren't onscreen in the nest sequence, and you can't blow up a nest without losing quality, because you're not dealing with the actual still images themselves.


www.derekmok.com

Yeah, I get it now. You're not really talking about nesting, in the Final Cut sense of nesting sequences. You're talking about parenting. What you want to do is parent a set of stills or clips to a single axis node, then keyframe the axis node so you can do a DVE move on the whole set at once.

That's utterly trivial in After Effects, Shake or Nuke. I don't know a way at all to do it in Final Cut. Like I said, Final Cut is an editor, not a compositor, so its compositing tools are highly rudimentary.

This is definitely a right-tool-for-the-job situation. Maybe somebody else can suggest a workaround that you could use inside Final Cut itself, but I'm not aware of one. Sorry.

Exactly right.

This is totally trivial to Apple Motion, 3D Studio, etc.

I can't use Motion as it won't do 2400x600
(see message in Motion Forum)
I could use 3D Studio but it is quite slow for the task
at this resolution.

Tests showed 20 minutes per 10 second "pan" for 3D Studio.
For six one minute 2400x600 QTs this would be time prohibitive.

Right now I am in pre-preproduction, so this is the time to find out
the technical issues!

Thanks for your help

derekmok Wrote:
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> I think I know what he's talking about.
>
> He wants four images to move at the same time, so
> he nested them together in FCP. But nests are not
> like still images; they are restricted to the
> frame size and content of the Sequence where the
> images are being gathered. You can't access the
> parts of the images that aren't onscreen in the
> nest sequence, and you can't blow up a nest
> without losing quality, because you're not dealing
> with the actual still images themselves.

Mark,
The answer lies within my book. Maybe you should pick it up?

OK, I'll give you a hint.

The nested sequence has to be an oversized one, not the same frame size as the sequence.

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My free "Move" plugin moves clips/images from a point in any direction at specified pixels per second. That makes moving different kinds of content at the same speed easier.

Objects can start or finish off screen too.

[alex4d.wordpress.com]

Alex

Thanks, I figured an oversized sequence would work.
But we are going to use Apple Motion with some compromises.

The output has to be 2400x600, 30p; but as my Video card
only does 2k, I will output at 2048x512 and rescale the output
with QT encoded to prores422 HQ.

The quality will be good even with the upscale, and Motion will
allow scrubbing of all my clips; whilst FCP would be one red bar
due to the non-standard nature of the output.

I am in pre-production right now and this is the time to find the
gotchas.




Kevin Monahan Wrote:
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> Mark,
> The answer lies within my book. Maybe you should
> pick it up?
>
> OK, I'll give you a hint.
>
> The nested sequence has to be an oversized one,
> not the same frame size as the sequence.

Looked at your web page and tutorials!

WOW!



Alex4D Wrote:
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> My free "Move" plugin moves clips/images from a
> point in any direction at specified pixels per
> second. That makes moving different kinds of
> content at the same speed easier.
>
> Objects can start or finish off screen too.
>
> [alex4d.wordpress.com]
> ro-my-free-move-plugin/
>
> Alex