Isn't this impossible?

Did i miss an anouncement about FCP being able to play clips with different settings in the same time-line?

i've Just used MPeg Streamclip to export both a DVPAL file and an DVNTSC file.

they both play in either DV or NTSC timelines.

that's right, a DV clip in an NTSC timeline, and vice-versa.

in Real Time!

clunky orange RT, but RT none the less.

Isn't this impossible?

nick

> they both play in either DV or NTSC timelines.
> that's right, a DV clip in an NTSC timeline, and vice-versa.

Nick, you mean PAL clip in an NTSC timeline, right?

They must've beefed up FCP 5...? The question is, do the "crossover" clips play back well? In real time?

Watch out, Graeme!

Nick - what was happening with motion?

I don't think RT would be doing any sort of temporal interpolation, so I'd expect some ugly stuff in an NTSC timeline with pal footage unfiltered. Not so?

Ian

What's impossible about it? One or the other format will be slightly off aspect or scaled to fit. The orange RT "preview" turns into a red renderline with RT turned off. It's simply being pre-rendered, right? Less a miracle, more good dynamic RT.

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what's impossible?
dont you remember the mantra of the last 5 years: "clip settings and sequence settings must match"

this must have changed, but dont remember seeing any hullabaloo about it.
i can now play any clip in any sequence.

yes, i did mean a PAL clip in an NTSC sequnce, sorry.

i can also play uncompressed 10-bit clips play in a DV sequnce.
interestingly as soon as i drop them in, they automaticaly have a "Shift Fields" filter applied to them.

and yes, it's clunky motion-wise going from PAL to NTSC,
it's a simple matter of frames being repeated.

PAL25fps into an NTSC29.97 timeline gives every 5th frame repeated, starting on frame 1
01,01,02,03,04,05,
06,06,07,08,09,10,
11,11,12,13,14,15,
16,16,17,18,19,20
21,21,22,23,24,00 etc

it was always like this, i think, but you had to render.

it's harder for me to judge with the NTSC material i have, as this was a 24fps film transfered in NTSC land, so there is pulldown already on the material (or whatever it's called.. i'm finding it very hard to understand!).
i was trying to figure out how to get the shots back to clean one-image-per -frame when i noticed this new FCP feature.

i must have been deaf or blind not to see it mentioned before.

nick

Well....anyone else care to try this?



Michael Horton
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Is this not all part and parcel of the new Dynamic RT feature? In the demos I've seen it do amazing things with quad and sextet splits and the like. After that, to play a different format clip seems a minor leap. But I'm not an engineer and I don't play one on TV. It IS amazing, considering the crunching Nick has indicated.

- Loren
Today's FCP 5 keytip:
Set your custom layouts by pressing
Option>Windows>Arrange>Set Custom Layout.
Access your custom layouts 1 & 2 with Shift & Option-U!

The FCP5 KeyGuide?: your power placemat.
Now available at KeyGuide Central
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Thats what I was going to say Loren. Dynamic RT has got to be the thang. Is it Nick?



Michael Horton
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Nick, here's my theory. I bet the FCP engineers DID consider such a thing impossible, then they saw Liquid Edition do it, and that changed their whole outlook. Sorta like when everyone thought a 4 minute mile impossible until Roger Bannister did it, then once the IMPOSSIBLE barrier was demolished, all sorts of people ran under-4 minute miles.

must be the dynamic RT.
i've always got RT set to unlimited, i dont know why you'd want it any other way, but that's just me.

but where was the hype, the buzz?

people have been asking for this for years, and here it is, and it wasnt lauded as one of the new features of FCP5.
or was it?

did i just miss it?
i dont think so.. it isnt blasted all over apple's FCP5 site.

nick

Phil Hodgetts accidently dropped PAL media into a NTSC timeline and got the Orange line. This was in FCP 5. Looks like we can have some fun. BlackMagic is supposed or already do allow you to mix some formats in the same timeline but of course you need a card.

This is very cool Nick. We need to play with this.

Why Apple doesn't tout this is anyones guess. Most likely because it plays kind of yucky.



Michael Horton
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