Jagged edges

Posted by CaseyPetersen 
Jagged edges
July 07, 2008 02:47PM
What I have tried doing the last two projects is having a JPG and scaling it down a little bit and putting a 30 pixel white border on it, and rotating it -3 degrees. When I look at the image on the screen (with scrub high quality on), it looks great, but once I render it, the white border becomes jagged.

Why is that? Can that be fixed?

I tried creating a white border around the photo in Photoshop. Again, it looks great until I render it, then I get the jaggies again.

Thanks!

Casey Petersen
www.unitedvideoinc.com
Re: Jagged edges
July 07, 2008 02:56PM
Is it noticeable on the broadcast monitor? Video tends to hate sharp edges, and worse if the line doesn't fall squarely on a row of pixels.

What is your sequence codec? I notice that RGB footage on a DvcproHD timeline tends to go through some kind of conversion (RGB-YUV?) only after rendering, but not so on ProRes/Uncompressed timelines.

You could try softening the border a little with a bit of blur. Or you could manually add that in Photoshop.

Hmm... Also, what kind of jagged edges are we talking about? Screen caps?



www.strypesinpost.com
Re: Jagged edges
July 07, 2008 03:01PM
It is noticeable on a regular TV (when downconverted), however I shoot and edit HDV, and it's noticeable on my HD monitor as well.

It's the border that has the jaggies...instead of a straight 30 pixel line at a slight angle, it looks more like steps...but only after rendering...before rendering it looks perfectly fine. It does this for both the basic border filter and if I have the border created in Photoshop.

Here's a capture of the image:


It looks fine before being rendered (which it won't let me export), but afterwards, I get this.

Casey
Re: Jagged edges
July 07, 2008 03:13PM
Hmm... Are you doing the rotation in the motions tab in FCP?



www.strypesinpost.com
Re: Jagged edges
July 07, 2008 03:34PM
Yep...let me try doing the rotate in Photoshop.

Yep, that takes care of it. Well, at least I know what can be done to fix it, though it doesn't seem like this should be happening in the first place.

Thanks!
Casey
Re: Jagged edges
July 07, 2008 03:48PM
Never trust FCP to perform rotates, movement and scaling... It doesn't do it as well as other Motion/AE/Photoshop. Possibly because it doesn't work in vectors, or it just doesn't do it for some weird reason or other.



www.strypesinpost.com
Re: Jagged edges
July 07, 2008 03:57PM
In the "video processing" tab of the timeline settings box, make sure "motion filtering quality" is set to "best." Then this will probably work fine.
Re: Jagged edges
July 07, 2008 04:02PM
I just tried the motion filtering quality thing, and that didn't have any effect on the jaggies.

Casey
Re: Jagged edges
July 08, 2008 10:14AM
Oops. I thought for sure that would at least lessen the severity. Oh, well. Sorry about that. The advice to do it elsewhere ? I use After Effects myself ? is sound.
Re: Jagged edges
July 08, 2008 10:20AM
I don't have AE, but I tried it in Motion, and it worked fine there, too smiling smiley

Thanks!
Casey
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